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Re: Choices or language and tone (was: Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation)

Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com> Wed, 03 July 2019 15:23 UTC

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From: Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 10:23:15 -0500
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Subject: Re: Choices or language and tone (was: Re: RFC Series Editor Resignation)
To: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
Cc: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 9:02 AM Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:00 AM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> --On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 20:44 -0400 Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Mike,
>> >
>> > As I mentioned to you off-list, your request below for Ben to
>> > use his inside voice is demeaning, unprofessional language
>> > that is not suitable for the IETF discussion list, per RFC
>> > 3005. Repeated use of unprofessional language may be deterring
>> > others from voicing their opinion for fear of being
>> > disrespected. It is important that everyone in the community
>> > feels comfortable enough to express their own views on the
>> > IETF discussion list if they choose to do so.
>> > ...
>>
>> Alissa:
>>
>> Mike has raised some topics that need discussion, but the tone does worry
>> me.  I believe the tone is keeping others from voicing their opinion, and
>> that it is important that everyone feel comfortable enough to express their
>> own view on this list.
>>
>
> +1
>
> None of the issues John raises (even if I agreed with them) would excuse
> Mike's tone.
>

[MB]   The tones went both ways. It was NOT just Mike.  Indeed, his
response that likely was the one that caused some initial concern was in
response to Adam, whose response was quite snarky and flippant IMHO.  [/MB]

>
> --Richard
>

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