Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input

Nick Buraglio <buraglio@es.net> Wed, 06 April 2022 14:35 UTC

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Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2022 09:34:46 -0500
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input
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On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 5:19 PM Greg Skinner <gregskinner0=
40icloud.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

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> On Mar 21, 2022, at 6:22 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb <
> bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote:
>
> On 22 Mar 2022, at 1:01, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
> In my view, and I think I am agreeing with Nick said, it’s not a technical
> problem that would be fixed by a technical feature.   IPv4 works for most
> enterprises today and they don’t see a need (aka business case) to do
> anything different.   The Enterprises who are thinking about moving to IPv6
> are very large enterprises who can’t live within the limits of private IPv4
> space.
>
>
> But remember that these XXL-enterprises are also seeking solutions and
> using ways often not feasible or applicable for the common SMLB.
>
>
> I suspect these are the ones we should be talking to.
>
>
> I suspect the answer is more like “wait until they start speaking to you”;
> well, why should they?  IETF is on no radar for most of them ..  so rather
> you have to go and “listen when and where they speak” because they do.
>
>
This has been what we have been doing. So far it has been very enlightening
but not really too surprising.

>
>
> A place to go where (commercial) enterprise executives meet is a Gartner
> conference.  They meet virtually, as well as in many cities throughout the
> world.  However, when discussing IPv6, be prepared for them to ask what you
> have to offer that will quickly improve their productivity.  Some of them
> may have read articles such as Networking Hype Cycle 2021 by Andrew Lerner
> <https://blogs.gartner.com/andrew-lerner/2021/10/11/networking-hype-cycle-2021/?_ga=2.214948631.1699336899.1649137202-1453838395.1649137202&_gac=1.49562642.1649140440.EAIaIQobChMI9dzQ4Jr89gIVghB9Ch1nvgVZEAAYAyAAEgI_4vD_BwE>
>  The featured graphic indicates that IPv6 is on the “slope of
> enlightenment,” expected to reach the “plateau of productivity” in 5-10
> years.
>
> —gregbo
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