Re: [v6ops] ULA precedence [Thoughts about wider operational input]

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 27 April 2022 16:41 UTC

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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "v6ops@ietf.org" <v6ops@ietf.org>, 6man list <ipv6@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] ULA precedence [Thoughts about wider operational input]
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Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
    > You imply that ULA+NPT only happens in networks that do not have GUA. A
    > counter example would a be network that wants to use ULA+NPT for all
    > outgoing traffic, but has GUAs on servers to receive requests.

that seems irrelevant to me.

Servers having GUAs which are in DNS probably have static GUAs assigned.
They don't really care what's in the PIO, and for outgoing requests from
those servers, one might want them to use the NPT as well.
Those servers also do need to pick an address to use: they correspondant
picks that.

(Architectually, I'd want to put those servers on a new subnet that just had
servers.  The place where this changes is when one has things like SIP on
desktops, and one wants to support direct media.  webrtc also benefits from
GUAs on the desktop, but if one was going that direction, NPT would be all
wrong anyway)

So, that's not a counter example for me.


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