Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input

"Ackermann, Michael" <MAckermann@bcbsm.com> Wed, 30 March 2022 02:00 UTC

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From: "Ackermann, Michael" <MAckermann@bcbsm.com>
To: Xipengxiao <xipengxiao=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>, Paolo Volpato <paolo.volpato=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "buraglio@es.net" <buraglio@es.net>
CC: "Philipp S. Tiesel" <phils@in-panik.de>, IPv6 Ops WG <v6ops@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input
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Thanks XiPeng
And a +1  here.  

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From: v6ops <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Xipengxiao
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2022 6:38 PM
To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>; Paolo Volpato <paolo.volpato=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; buraglio@es.net
Cc: Philipp S. Tiesel <phils@in-panik.de>; IPv6 Ops WG <v6ops@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input

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Hi Fred,

I volunteer to work with Michael, Nick, Nalini, Paolo, Eduard and Philipp et al to find a few candidates, so that you and Ron can select 1-2 to talk in v6ops in Philadelphia IETF. I suggest we select those who are hands-on and can talk about the challenges and lessons in depth.

XiPeng

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From: v6ops <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Fred Baker
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2022 9:37 PM
To: Paolo Volpato <paolo.volpato=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; buraglio@es.net
Cc: Philipp S. Tiesel <phils@in-panik.de>; IPv6 Ops WG <v6ops@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input



> On Mar 29, 2022, at 7:51 AM, Paolo Volpato <paolo.volpato=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> As Nick suggested, I also see a role for them to contribute in defining an evolution path to IPv6. I see this something that can be addressed in the IETF.

I don't disagree with you in the least. That brings me back to my original question, however:

Can we get someone-that's-not-a-vendor-academic-or-ISP (using the word "enterprise" seems to be confusing) give a talk in v6ops in Philadelphia about what their proposed evolutionary target for IPv6 might be?
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