Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input

[Ted Lemon <[e-mail]>]

Is it really hncp that we needed here?  I think the key tech we need is
source-address-based forwarding, and babel i think has delivered that.
Granted, getting that into soho routers is a problem.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:11 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet=
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Maybe the terminology is not the most appropriate and we should talk about
> "organizations", because there are many types of networks that have the
> same problem and those are not enterprises (such as government sites, NGOs,
> etc.).
>
> The problem is the same regardless of the "size" of the organization. The
> difference is that "today" most SMEs don't have that problem because they
> don't have PI, but it may turn the same when they realize that not being PI
> have renumbering issues if changing the ISP. Of course, again, if we talk
> about a "small" SME, then may not be an issue, they only have 40 or 50
> devices to renumber (your mileage will vary), not easy but not "terrible".
>
> On the rest of Gert comments, definitively I agree, and specially on our
> big mistake not working further on HNCP.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
> El 22/3/22, 9:31, "v6ops en nombre de Gert Doering" <
> [e-mail] en nombre de [e-mail]> escribió:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:42:12AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>     > I agree with Jordi that multihoming is a genuine impediment. What
> isn't generally realised is that it's a problem of scale when considering
> at least 10,000,000 enterprises, much more than it's a problem of IPv6
> itself.
>
>     What is "an enterprise"?
>
>     My stance on this is that for "largely unmanaged SoHo networks" - which
>     could be called "small enterprise" - dual-enduser-ISP with dual-/48 or
>     NPT66 gets the job done in an easy and scalable way (HNCP would have
>     been great, but IETF politics killed it).
>
>     "Enterprise that truly need their own independent fully managed network
>     with multiple ISP uplinks and fully routed independent address space"
>     are probably way less than 10 million...
>
>     Half of them do not want Internet access anyway, just access to their
>     ALGs that will do the filtering and TLS inspection and everything, and
>     then out to the Internet as a new TCP session (= could be done with
>     DMZ islands of upstream-provider-allocated space just fine).
>
>
>     We need to work on our marketing regarding multihoming.  "What is it
> that
>     you get, what is the cost, which of the variants do you want, and
> why...?"
>
>     Gert Doering
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