Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input

In reality, it is not easy to have a good firewall and Router at the same time even for a software box.
There were times when I was working for a famous vendor that has a firewall and router as strictly separate devices.
This vendor told Enterprises that it is good because the router and firewall are typically managed by different departments.
And because FW for the Enterprise market should have a lot of features that are not available on combo devices.

My point here: do not assume that it would be easy in all cases to activate FW on the CPE.
Ed/
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From: v6ops [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input

Yep, that's part of the problem.

I don't think typically "non-home-oriented-CPEs" have an IPv6 firewall, or at least not enabled by default.

"small" SMEs most of the time use the same connectivity as a household subscriber, so most of the time the same "home-oriented-CPE".

If we move to medium SMEs, and of course, enterprises, they should have, in addition to the CPE, a firewall. It may happen that in many cases, they have it, but not neccesarily all.

Regards,
Jordi
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El 30/3/22, 23:16, "v6ops en nombre de Brian E Carpenter" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> escribió:

    Jordi,

    As we all know, home gateways that support IPv6 are shipped with a quite adequate default firewall configuration. Is there a good specification for a default firewall configuration for an SME CE router?

    Probably this isn't realistic for large enterprises?

        Brian
    On 31-Mar-22 07:27, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
    > Because if you don't have NAT, you are forced to properly configure a firewall.
    > 
    > With a NAT, many don't even have a firewall or is not sufficiently well 
    configured.
    > 
    > Regards,
    > Jordi
    > @jordipalet
    >   
    >   
    > 
    > El 30/3/22, 17:58, "v6ops en nombre de Joe Maimon" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de jmaimon@jmaimon.com> escribió:
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >      JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
    >      >
    >      > To demonstrate how NAT is not security, you just need to enable Teredo
    >      > or any other UDP tunneling traversing the NAT, so the security guys
    >      > can see that without any special config in the NAT, you can dig a
    >      > whole on it (Teredo Navalis = Shipworm).
    >      >
    >      > Regards,
    >      >
    >      > Jordi
    >      >
    >      > @jordipalet
    >      >
    > 
    >      And then you need to demonstrate how the equivalent would not happen on
    >      IPv6.
    > 
    >      Joe
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