Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input

Indeed, for large enterprises that is true. But surely vendors should be motivated to provide single-box solutions for medium size enterprises?

Regards
    Brian

On 04-Apr-22 23:20, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:
> In reality, it is not easy to have a good firewall and Router at the same time even for a software box.
> There were times when I was working for a famous vendor that has a firewall and router as strictly separate devices.
> This vendor told Enterprises that it is good because the router and firewall are typically managed by different departments.
> And because FW for the Enterprise market should have a lot of features that are not available on combo devices.
> 
> My point here: do not assume that it would be easy in all cases to activate FW on the CPE.
> Ed/
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> From: v6ops [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
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> Subject: Re: [v6ops] Thoughts about wider operational input
> 
> Yep, that's part of the problem.
> 
> I don't think typically "non-home-oriented-CPEs" have an IPv6 firewall, 
or at least not enabled by default.
> 
> "small" SMEs most of the time use the same connectivity as a household subscriber, so most of the time the same "home-oriented-CPE".
> 
> If we move to medium SMEs, and of course, enterprises, they should have, in addition to the CPE, a firewall. It may happen that in many cases, they have it, but not neccesarily all.
> 
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>   
>   
> 
> El 30/3/22, 23:16, "v6ops en nombre de Brian E Carpenter" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> escribió:
> 
>      Jordi,
> 
>      As we all know, home gateways that support IPv6 are shipped with a 
quite adequate default firewall configuration. Is there a good specification for a default firewall configuration for an SME CE router?
> 
>      Probably this isn't realistic for large enterprises?
> 
>          Brian
>      On 31-Mar-22 07:27, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>      > Because if you don't have NAT, you are forced to properly configure a firewall.
>      >
>      > With a NAT, many don't even have a firewall or is not sufficiently well
>      configured.
>      >
>      > Regards,
>      > Jordi
>      > @jordipalet
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > El 30/3/22, 17:58, "v6ops en nombre de Joe Maimon" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de jmaimon@jmaimon.com> escribió:
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >      JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>      >      >
>      >      > To demonstrate how NAT is not security, you just need to enable Teredo
>      >      > or any other UDP tunneling traversing the NAT, so the security guys
>      >      > can see that without any special config in the NAT, you can dig a
>      >      > whole on it (Teredo Navalis = Shipworm).
>      >      >
>      >      > Regards,
>      >      >
>      >      > Jordi
>      >      >
>      >      > @jordipalet
>      >      >
>      >
>      >      And then you need to demonstrate how the equivalent would not happen on
>      >      IPv6.
>      >
>      >      Joe
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