Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Christian <cdel@firsthand.net> Wed, 11 March 2020 12:26 UTC

Return-Path: <cdel@firsthand.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCAF3A1833 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.319
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.319 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=firsthand.net
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4lIU6rFweJCj for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 05:26:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from tranquility.default.cdelarrinaga.uk0.bigv.io (tranquility.default.cdelarrinaga.uk0.bigv.io [IPv6:2001:41c8:51:8b8::184]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00D433A1830 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 05:26:26 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=firsthand.net; s=tranquility; =?utf-8?q?h=3DContent-Transfer-Encoding=3A?= =?utf-8?q?Content-Type=3AIn-Reply-To=3AMIME-Version=3ADate=3AMessage-ID=3AF?= =?utf-8?q?rom=3AReferences=3ACc=3ATo=3ASubject=3B?= =?utf-8?q?bh=3D9u83f6/gqRUJ7QQSPF19GaMZ6L0eLBIheomn2CJ79/I=3D=3B__b=3Dzmn8m?= =?utf-8?q?p/TCp8tbyJnjedwM7O+UTXHkk5HcmszhcqcZnKheS0MvMEi59Kuk22oGPTx4rWTeX?= =?utf-8?q?4/OLrWFFSShXayriSDxUxKftAEarHk4qEsik2H++WDE3VqItY8QzMc9mOXgNPDO3i?= =?utf-8?q?xh1gpU36mGrloHHx4H8CW0kPATk3Qh6lGsgI=3D=3B?=
Received: from 60.88.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.88.60] helo=[192.168.1.11]) by tranquility.default.cdelarrinaga.uk0.bigv.io with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <cdel@firsthand.net>) id 1jC0RL-0008Dc-CX; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 12:26:23 +0000
Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
To: Tim Chown <tjc.ietf@gmail.com>, tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com>
Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet=40consulintel.es@dmarc.ietf.org>
References: <158386742797.16091.1025684270011519738@ietfa.amsl.com> <7D26D5BD-FD39-47D1-81D5-73D7BFCF09F8@consulintel.es> =?utf-8?q?=3CFRXPR01M?= =?utf-8?q?B064510B3CC63EBBDFD33B5E498FF0=40FRXPR01MB0645=2EDEUPRD01=2EPROD?= =?utf-8?q?=2EOUTLOOK=2EDE=3E?= <E124B52F-638D-4843-A0F9-0F518716C5C7@consulintel.es> <985D1867-2160-4050-BD15-B4C97FF47318@sobco.com> <12801E94-9730-44FD-B1CA-8B054F797587@consulintel.es> <226F6E7C-980C-4EA6-A66D-0B14922265B8@gmail.com> <1UW5nuKQ81.2bwuvoml2Cp@pc8xp> <F75C0898-76B5-447C-9407-0EC7311E2BAD@gmail.com>
From: Christian <cdel@firsthand.net>
Message-ID: <9998c93d-e9a8-fe45-f557-16749dcf945c@firsthand.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 12:26:21 +0000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <F75C0898-76B5-447C-9407-0EC7311E2BAD@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Language: en-US
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/1lnJGZmgNPpXGMBew8Sft4EYh_k>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 12:26:29 -0000

Hi Tim

I tweeted this study on mutuations last week. (2 March)

https://bedford.io/blog/ncov-cryptic-transmission/

best C

On 11/03/2020 12:02, Tim Chown wrote:
>> On 11 Mar 2020, at 10:52, tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>> I see different statistics.  Yes, Italy has a higher death rate than anywhere else, but elsewhere, the overall rate is reported as 1-2% with less for the young and 8% for the older, variously reported as over-65, over-70, or over-80.  I believe that Greece and Spain are still on an upward curve with figures perhaps too small to infer a trend but that in a week or so we will have the figures to see if Italy is the exception or the rule.
> And therein is the problem, it will mutate.  That’s what made the so-called Spanish flu so deadly, to people of all ages.  Has it mutated, or are the counts of infected lower for some reason?  Hard to know, but I’ll take a little inconvenience now to avoid 100M deaths in the year ahead.
>
> Tim
>