Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Alexandre Petrescu <> Sun, 15 March 2020 17:40 UTC

Return-Path: <>
Received: from localhost (localhost []) by (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109703A199D for <>; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 10:40:47 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 0.669
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.669 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Received: from ([]) by localhost ( []) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O8uhBxm88V-N for <>; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 10:40:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ( []) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 315473A199C for <>; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 10:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ( []) by (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 02FHebJw043146 for <>; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:40:37 +0100
Received: from (localhost []) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id AA42C20241A for <>; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:40:37 +0100 (CET)
Received: from ( []) by (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF8A200F0A for <>; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:40:37 +0100 (CET)
Received: from [] ([]) by (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 02FHebh5019646 for <>; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:40:37 +0100
Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
References: <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <>
From: Alexandre Petrescu <>
Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:40:36 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Language: fr
Archived-At: <>
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <>
List-Unsubscribe: <>, <>
List-Archive: <>
List-Post: <>
List-Help: <>
List-Subscribe: <>, <>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:40:47 -0000

Le 15/03/2020 à 13:24, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit :
> According to a documentary displayed yesterday in the TV, it looks like there are (up to now) 2 models to combat the propagation of the virus:
> 1) Chinese model, which is the same adopted in Italy and now Spain, quarantining everyone via an "alarm state" law. You can go to work only if needed, do shopping for food, but not go out of home for visiting friends, sports or fun. Only food shops can remain open, and a few other exceptions (pharmacies, banks).
> 2) The S. Korean model, which is testing lots of people and quarantine only for those that don't pass the test.

yes talk here also talks about differnet models.

Among the ones in alarm state, one should count Romania as well, 
although not sure they can really do it.  The official orders are almost 
total closure, but implementation is not sure.

Among those in 'gradual' state - appropriate response to an an evolving 
situation, is also France - publicly declared so - a gradual evolution.

There are also those who leave almost all open: UK, if I understand well.

Codogno (Italy) earlier blocking seems to work: two weeks later no new 
cases, apparently.

To understand the different degrees of closure one can read the official 
orders issued yesterday, today ('decret', 'order', etc).


The medical theory is the following: if each of us (100% of our species) 
stays away from each other, then in 2 weeks time all viruses with crown 
are at hospital.

But the wave is of 3month and a half long.  The difference between 2 
weeks, and 3 months and a half, represents our difficulty  to understand 
it, and it costs us our dearest.


The China new cases goes up instead of down, but it is still low.  
Chinese declare the event ended, officially.


The excellent news is the following: social distancing means to stay 
away (more than 1m) from each other.  YOu can do that by staying at home 
instead of going to work.  But you can do that also by travelling 
(provided youre sole in the bus, or so).  One can also share the 
beautiful  view of a sunset outdoors, with a few persons with whom to 
share destiny, but no more.

Another excellent news: one is not forced to isolate all air intake in 
one's appartment, or not breathe while outdoors.  Just to stay away from 
unknown people.

It's not like in other kinds of events which are worse, where you have 
to isolate, stay inside, 'calfeutrer' (fr.), 'caulk'?(english).

There is a new word: 'social distancing'.  It is 'distanciation sociale' 
in French, since yesterday. (distantiation, distanciation, 
distanceation, not sure).


> It looks like the S. Korean model is working, so either there are different tests, which are not reading the same, or something else.
> Maybe someone from S. Korea can tell?
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
> El 15/3/20 11:06, "ietf en nombre de Rich Kulawiec" < en nombre de> escribió:
>      On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:07:12AM -0500, Mary B wrote:
>      > Just one comment on your item #1 in your proposal.   Your body does not
>      > immediately develop the antibodies upon exposure, so you can be a carrier
>      > well before you'll test positive. You'd also selfishly be adding to the
>      > burden on the system for testing.
>      This is absolutely correct.  Hospitals here are trying to clear
>      out as many non-critical cases as possible, to postpone any
>      surgical procedures that they can, to stockpile supplies, to give
>      staff as much rest as they can, etc.  They are expecting the worst
>      and anything that we can all do to decrease the need for care
>      across the entire population will help.
>      ---rsk
> **********************************************
> IPv4 is over
> Are you ready for the new Internet ?
> The IPv6 Company
> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.