IETF 108 (i.e. "models to combat the ... the virus & the big economic problem")

Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@xalgorithms.org> Sun, 15 March 2020 16:15 UTC

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 12:15:15 -0400
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Subject: IETF 108 (i.e. "models to combat the ... the virus & the big economic problem")
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Concerning the future of in-person meetings generally:

3) UK model
https://www.gov.uk/government/topical-events/coronavirus-covid-19-uk-government-response
https://www.ft.com/content/0475f450-654f-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

Here are comments by a guy who is not an apologist for the UK gov.
https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538?s=19

Joseph Potvin
Executive Director, Xalgorithms Foundation
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On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 8:28 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet=
40consulintel.es@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> By the way, the 1st one, creates a big economical problem for the full
> country, which will take many years to recover from. Many SMEs can go to
> bankruptcy, because I don't think this "country" quarantine situation will
> take only 2 weeks, probably closer to 2 months ...
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
> El 15/3/20 13:26, "ietf en nombre de JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <
> ietf-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de jordi.palet=
> 40consulintel.es@dmarc.ietf.org> escribió:
>
>     According to a documentary displayed yesterday in the TV, it looks
> like there are (up to now) 2 models to combat the propagation of the virus:
>
>     1) Chinese model, which is the same adopted in Italy and now Spain,
> quarantining everyone via an "alarm state" law. You can go to work only if
> needed, do shopping for food, but not go out of home for visiting friends,
> sports or fun. Only food shops can remain open, and a few other exceptions
> (pharmacies, banks).
>
>     2) The S. Korean model, which is testing lots of people and quarantine
> only for those that don't pass the test.
>
>     It looks like the S. Korean model is working, so either there are
> different tests, which are not reading the same, or something else.
>
>     Maybe someone from S. Korea can tell?
>
>     Regards,
>     Jordi
>     @jordipalet
>
>
>
>     El 15/3/20 11:06, "ietf en nombre de Rich Kulawiec" <
> ietf-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de rsk@gsp.org> escribió:
>
>         On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:07:12AM -0500, Mary B wrote:
>         > Just one comment on your item #1 in your proposal.   Your body
> does not
>         > immediately develop the antibodies upon exposure, so you can be
> a carrier
>         > well before you'll test positive. You'd also selfishly be adding
> to the
>         > burden on the system for testing.
>
>         This is absolutely correct.  Hospitals here are trying to clear
>         out as many non-critical cases as possible, to postpone any
>         surgical procedures that they can, to stockpile supplies, to give
>         staff as much rest as they can, etc.  They are expecting the worst
>         and anything that we can all do to decrease the need for care
>         across the entire population will help.
>
>         ---rsk
>
>
>
>
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