Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Sun, 15 March 2020 18:13 UTC

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From: Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 11:12:55 -0700
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Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet=40consulintel.es@dmarc.ietf.org>, IETF-Discussion Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
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Just for everyone's information in case you hadn't already heard, the BC
government banned all meetings of more than 250 people. So, IETF 107 wasn't
going to happen anyhow.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:42 AM Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 01:24:58PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> >
> > 2) The S. Korean model, which is testing lots of people and
> > quarantine only for those that don't pass the test.
>
> In the S. Korean model, quaranteen officers have significant powers to
> make sure individuals who have tested positive to stay sequesters.
> They also have the power to use individuals' cell phone location
> history to track people's past locations via GPS to find other people
> who may have interacted with the infected individual, and who should
> therefore, be tested, and possibly, quaranteened.
>
> I doubt this would work in even in the United States, where the
> population at large seem to be much more accepting of government
> surveillance in the name of National Security.  However, in Europe,
> and especially countries like Germany, who have a much greater fear of
> government surveillance (perhaps because of the experience of the
> Stasi in East Germany), I very much doubt the full South Korean model
> would fly at all.
>
>                                                   - Ted
>
>