Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Wed, 11 March 2020 19:01 UTC

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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 15:01:42 -0400
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Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
To: Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net>
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Registration being closed, could not (easily) find the terms.

I am pretty sure there must be a governing law clause. That might not be
effective in ensuring US law applied over Canadian but it would be less
likely the Spanish courts would apply Spanish law.

I am not a lawyer of course. But I have spent enough of other people's
money on such issues...

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:53 PM Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net>
wrote:

> On 3/11/2020 1:29 PM, Jay Daley wrote:
> >> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote on 10/03/2020 20:37:
> >>> According to lawyers, at least in the case of Spanish law, from what
> >>> I got about 10 minutes ago, if an event organizer cancels a meeting,
> >>> it is responsible and liable for any cancellation's costs to
> >>> participants, unless there is a "force major cause" (which clearly is
> >>> not the case, until it is declared by the corresponding government).
> >>
> >> Could someone from the IETF confirm that this has been taken into
> >> account in the risk analysis for the Madrid meeting?
> >
> > No because this was the first we heard about this.  We will take legal
> > advice.
>
> The US term is "Incidental and Consequential Damages".   I don't
> remember if the registration includes any language about "IETF not
> responsible for...." or "attendee waives liability for...".  It's
> probably a good thing to add - after 35+ years of not needing it.   And
> doesn't apply to any of the attendees for Madrid until the IETF starts
> accepting registration fees from them.
>
> Later, Mike
>
>
>