Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 10 March 2020 23:38 UTC
Return-Path: <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEB03A08EB; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dTiV4pQBmRGq; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:38:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6607F3A08C7; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:38:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id g12so246111ljj.3; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:38:06 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6j7EZmYQeR50ycH4rs+ejlabXKV32noq+dCRnBtrPHA=; b=HZkiCfOjb9014/IpSzXIMj62OHmXF3D9mMkyncHhZl/M1mZevSzPCXiTBlI/ZSTAwb 8UmmFm+ziyt04mlaWusSLqMvqmiJqSpzNsdR+a76WDHdqRhntOxRJH6FnuuzcFi2aWCX K+bbZQBoBImVZ5grvBY1Qo4NGfHorWeI9m3rXe4yJOsrfnCevYLQzN/GO8teZiTdWvc6 dljEfjm/r4DVE4k+O6Ec0P3Bj5As7aPGvx+btd3FLfocf2IpcqvfeMd6MQN8jhHcPET/ 0t4YRGZMnB1Y5TOweBwmL+MEQTIGu3QgAdCwHxq1U0Wz+hZfl/Roge9uscveMAd2135I qDpw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6j7EZmYQeR50ycH4rs+ejlabXKV32noq+dCRnBtrPHA=; b=fI1b94oRJjEYUCcpEK44Qeizp8mlx8WrlQj8vixtxIqxuYoyuxAlH2qweVWP87BLvE bZdqkJjgPqqd5bqw8kmU6yUbpihD5xfCKVEANAGTBnwyJybEDzNr3FAknpxbELghw6K2 3qpR5iyJGDPlMUnk2uzPfrc4yVqRqHlmyBbt/1OKXevermff+O+0QG3bxh77BGx0jCeH SsZwhFtpzBssqiZqrnMreXPLXuH6FIPvYEPW0g2J2AVAkf/a7CTsYynxga6Tlh64083J UGGdGadCquuwQIadH4AOwP5zLJBgPN6N8MUirGVHZlfT1v9bELlbIOmvRLL/j4hDBfN8 zKZw==
X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1INw7JOxPXRfv3wLCEWRh8E5I02UBb1yhhhC0Tiezjo4krFb/L voNZallljhQLMzCv8CuGQCtg4YuST7hJJhNmFG5RtU2GOH4=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vthy0UHNWtAzXDDJIMaN3uqimL6e9YPtrkPEP8XkDu6dpWuscp7DfV5C91tmPJZnt1Q/D788ZuR7h6t2OYlOZ4=
X-Received: by 2002:a2e:1653:: with SMTP id 19mr361482ljw.112.1583883484160; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:38:04 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <158386742797.16091.1025684270011519738@ietfa.amsl.com>
In-Reply-To: <158386742797.16091.1025684270011519738@ietfa.amsl.com>
From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 18:37:37 -0500
Message-ID: <CAKKJt-duu_6HwD3QLYh5UP1JXipXq9wrHOM7O24uOTqTXkrnQA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
To: IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, irtf-chair@irtf.org
Cc: IETF list <ietf@ietf.org>, 107all@ietf.org, IRTF Discuss <irtf-discuss@irtf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007064d205a0889c42"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/62IX_CZDrhks9Oi_SO_08f5O2co>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 23:38:09 -0000
For what it's worth, On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:11 PM The IESG <iesg@ietf.org> wrote: > The IESG and the IRTF Chair have decided to cancel the in-person IETF 107 > Vancouver meeting. This decision is based on input we gathered from Working > Group (WG) and Research Group (RG) chairs about our ability to hold > productive WG and RG sessions at IETF 107. Our assessment of this feedback > is that a majority of sessions would not be viable if we were to hold the > in-person IETF meeting. On this basis, we believe we cannot hold an > effective in-person meeting. > Deleted down to > These are unusual times given the circumstances created by the spread of > COVID-19. We hope that everyone remains safe and healthy. > I'm not on the IESG now (to everyone's relief!) but I was on the IESG in 2016, when we were trying to figure out what to do with IETF 95 in Buenos Aires as reports of the spread of Zika virus were arriving. That was stressful enough, and I note that Alyssa, Deborah, Alvaro, and Barry were on the IESG for IETF 95, and are on the current IESG, so they got to live through both experiences (good times, huh?) So I wanted to add my thanks to a few folk. - Thanks to the IESG and to Colin, as IETF chair, for making a critical decision. I suspect it's the right one - if you believe a doubling of reported cases every 6-8 days, things could easily be much worse by the end of IETF 107 as we are traveling home - but that's not really the key thing. You took it seriously. - Thanks to the people who slaved over the revisions to IASA 2.0 - the point that was made further down that thread about the separation between the IESG considering whether anyone was going to get anything out of in-person attendance, and the LLC considering whether we would infect the in-person attendees, would have been really helpful in 2016. If you enjoy watching the IESG Discuss documents during a two-week telechat cycle, you would have loved watching the IESG Discussing inconsistent, incomplete, bursty, and confusing advice arriving every day for a couple of months! - Thanks to Jay, and I can almost promise you, your next IETF experience will be less stressful! Speaking from my own perspective, I'm in at least two high-risk categories for CoViD-19, but I didn't cancel my in-person travel arrangements until tonight. I believe in what the IETF does, I know the value of in-person participation, and as long as in-person attendance made any sense, I was ready to gamble, even after my employer was strongly encouraging remote attendance. By focusing on whether an in-person meeting could be effective, the IESG is encouraging ME to Do The Right Thing. That's a refreshing turnabout. And I look forward to seeing you, in-person and/or virtually, throughout 2020. Best, Spencer
- IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled The IESG
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Michael StJohns
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Kyle Rose
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Eric Rescorla
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Stephen Farrell
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alissa Cooper
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Toerless Eckert
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Mary B
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Michael StJohns
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Jari Arkko
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Michael StJohns
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Adam Roach
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled otroan
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Stewart Bryant
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Cullen Jennings
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Vittorio Bertola
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alissa Cooper
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Keith Moore
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Rich Kulawiec
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Job Snijders
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Lou Berger
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Joel M. Halpern
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Paul Wouters
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Fred Baker
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Melchior Aelmans
- AW: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled N.Leymann
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Christian Hopps
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Theodore Y. Ts'o
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Soininen, Jonne (Nokia - FI/Espoo)
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Randy Bush
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Bob Hinden
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled John C Klensin
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Scott O. Bradner
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Khaled Omar
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Livingood, Jason
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Scott O. Bradner
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled John Levine
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled John Levine
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled George Michaelson
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Terry Manderson
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled John C Klensin
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Benoit Claise
- In person versus virtual? Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Tim Chown
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled tom petch
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Nick Hilliard
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Tim Chown
- Re: In person versus virtual? Tim Chown
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Christian
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Vittorio Bertola
- Re: In person versus virtual? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Leif Johansson
- Re: In person versus virtual? Christian Hopps
- Re: In person versus virtual? Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Air Canada, was Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person … Paul Wouters
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Fernando Gont
- RE: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Khaled Omar
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Mary B
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Adam Roach
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Theodore Y. Ts'o
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Ole Jacobsen
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Khaled Omar
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Robert Raszuk
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Joel M. Halpern
- RE: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Daniele Ceccarelli
- Re: Madrid Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Mary B
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Toerless Eckert
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Nick Hilliard
- RE: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Michael StJohns
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Robert Raszuk
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Robert Raszuk
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Stan Kalisch
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled S Moonesamy
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Carsten Bormann
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Michael Breuer
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: Air Canada, was Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Per… Roni Even (A)
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled S Moonesamy
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Adam Roach
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Rich Kulawiec
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Theodore Y. Ts'o
- IETF 108 (i.e. "models to combat the ... the viru… Joseph Potvin
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Ross Finlayson
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Tim Bray
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Keith Moore
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Nico Williams