Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <> Tue, 10 March 2020 23:38 UTC

Return-Path: <>
Received: from localhost (localhost []) by (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEB03A08EB; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key)
Received: from ([]) by localhost ( []) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dTiV4pQBmRGq; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:38:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ( [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6607F3A08C7; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:38:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by with SMTP id g12so246111ljj.3; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:38:06 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6j7EZmYQeR50ycH4rs+ejlabXKV32noq+dCRnBtrPHA=; b=HZkiCfOjb9014/IpSzXIMj62OHmXF3D9mMkyncHhZl/M1mZevSzPCXiTBlI/ZSTAwb 8UmmFm+ziyt04mlaWusSLqMvqmiJqSpzNsdR+a76WDHdqRhntOxRJH6FnuuzcFi2aWCX K+bbZQBoBImVZ5grvBY1Qo4NGfHorWeI9m3rXe4yJOsrfnCevYLQzN/GO8teZiTdWvc6 dljEfjm/r4DVE4k+O6Ec0P3Bj5As7aPGvx+btd3FLfocf2IpcqvfeMd6MQN8jhHcPET/ 0t4YRGZMnB1Y5TOweBwmL+MEQTIGu3QgAdCwHxq1U0Wz+hZfl/Roge9uscveMAd2135I qDpw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6j7EZmYQeR50ycH4rs+ejlabXKV32noq+dCRnBtrPHA=; b=fI1b94oRJjEYUCcpEK44Qeizp8mlx8WrlQj8vixtxIqxuYoyuxAlH2qweVWP87BLvE bZdqkJjgPqqd5bqw8kmU6yUbpihD5xfCKVEANAGTBnwyJybEDzNr3FAknpxbELghw6K2 3qpR5iyJGDPlMUnk2uzPfrc4yVqRqHlmyBbt/1OKXevermff+O+0QG3bxh77BGx0jCeH SsZwhFtpzBssqiZqrnMreXPLXuH6FIPvYEPW0g2J2AVAkf/a7CTsYynxga6Tlh64083J UGGdGadCquuwQIadH4AOwP5zLJBgPN6N8MUirGVHZlfT1v9bELlbIOmvRLL/j4hDBfN8 zKZw==
X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1INw7JOxPXRfv3wLCEWRh8E5I02UBb1yhhhC0Tiezjo4krFb/L voNZallljhQLMzCv8CuGQCtg4YuST7hJJhNmFG5RtU2GOH4=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: =?utf-8?q?ADFU+vthy0UHNWtAzXDDJIMaN3uqimL6e9YPtrkPEP8X?= =?utf-8?q?kDu6dpWuscp7DfV5C91tmPJZnt1Q/D788ZuR7h6t2OYlOZ4=3D?=
X-Received: by 2002:a2e:1653:: with SMTP id 19mr361482ljw.112.1583883484160; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:38:04 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <>
In-Reply-To: <>
From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 18:37:37 -0500
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
To: IESG <>,
Cc: IETF list <>,, IRTF Discuss <>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007064d205a0889c42"
Archived-At: <>
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <>
List-Unsubscribe: <>, <>
List-Archive: <>
List-Post: <>
List-Help: <>
List-Subscribe: <>, <>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 23:38:09 -0000

For what it's worth,

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:11 PM The IESG <> wrote:

> The IESG and the IRTF Chair have decided to cancel the in-person IETF 107
> Vancouver meeting. This decision is based on input we gathered from Working
> Group (WG) and Research Group (RG) chairs about our ability to hold
> productive WG and RG sessions at IETF 107. Our assessment of this feedback
> is that a majority of sessions would not be viable if we were to hold the
> in-person IETF meeting. On this basis, we believe we cannot hold an
> effective in-person meeting.

Deleted down to

> These are unusual times given the circumstances created by the spread of
> COVID-19.  We hope that everyone remains safe and healthy.

I'm not on the IESG now (to everyone's relief!) but I was on the IESG in
2016, when we were trying to figure out what to do with IETF 95 in Buenos
Aires as reports of the spread of Zika virus were arriving. That was
stressful enough, and I note that Alyssa, Deborah, Alvaro, and Barry were
on the IESG for IETF 95, and are on the current IESG, so they got to live
through both experiences (good times, huh?)

So I wanted to add my thanks to a few folk.

   - Thanks to the IESG and to Colin, as IETF chair, for making a critical
   decision. I suspect it's the right one - if you believe a doubling of
   reported cases every 6-8 days, things could easily be much worse by the end
   of IETF 107 as we are traveling home - but that's not really the key thing.
   You took it seriously.
   - Thanks to the people who slaved over the revisions to IASA 2.0 - the
   point that was made further down that thread about the separation between
   the IESG considering whether anyone was going to get anything out of
   in-person attendance, and the LLC considering whether we would infect the
   in-person attendees, would have been really helpful in 2016. If you enjoy
   watching the IESG Discuss documents during a two-week telechat cycle, you
   would have loved watching the IESG Discussing inconsistent, incomplete,
   bursty, and confusing advice arriving every day for a couple of months!
   - Thanks to Jay, and I can almost promise you, your next IETF experience
   will be less stressful!

Speaking from my own perspective, I'm in at least two high-risk categories
for CoViD-19, but I didn't cancel my in-person travel arrangements until
tonight. I believe in what the IETF does, I know the value of in-person
participation, and as long as in-person attendance made any sense, I was
ready to gamble, even after my employer was strongly encouraging remote
attendance. By focusing on whether an in-person meeting could be effective,
the IESG is encouraging ME to Do The Right Thing. That's a refreshing

And I look forward to seeing you, in-person and/or virtually, throughout