Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net> Wed, 11 March 2020 18:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
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From: Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net>
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On 3/11/2020 1:29 PM, Jay Daley wrote:
>> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote on 10/03/2020 20:37:
>>> According to lawyers, at least in the case of Spanish law, from what
>>> I got about 10 minutes ago, if an event organizer cancels a meeting,
>>> it is responsible and liable for any cancellation's costs to
>>> participants, unless there is a "force major cause" (which clearly is
>>> not the case, until it is declared by the corresponding government).
>>
>> Could someone from the IETF confirm that this has been taken into 
>> account in the risk analysis for the Madrid meeting?
>
> No because this was the first we heard about this.  We will take legal 
> advice.

The US term is "Incidental and Consequential Damages".   I don't 
remember if the registration includes any language about "IETF not 
responsible for...." or "attendee waives liability for...".  It's 
probably a good thing to add - after 35+ years of not needing it.   And 
doesn't apply to any of the attendees for Madrid until the IETF starts 
accepting registration fees from them.

Later, Mike