Re: In person versus virtual?
Tim Chown <tjc.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 11 March 2020 12:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: In person versus virtual?
From: Tim Chown <tjc.ietf@gmail.com>
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> On 11 Mar 2020, at 07:40, Eliot Lear <lear=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > You may be referring to a draft I wrote, draft-lear-we-gotta-stop-meeting-like-this-00.txt, or maybe to comments made by others in various IETF threads. > > My intuition tells me we should probably not meet 3x per year in person, but something less, like 2x, if for no other reason, to save the environment. But my intuition is not enough to make good decisions. It seems to me that some data is required, which is why I wrote that draft. Let’s get data, in order to understand what are the most effective collaboration modalities for this organization. > > I was aiming for an experiment some years down the road, but here we are. Let’s make the most of it and collect what data we can. I think two physical meetings leaving more room for two virtual meetings per WG in between would be a good path to follow. Less travel, less carbon, and perhaps four draft deadlines that way rather than three, spreading the work over the year better. Tim
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