Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Michael Breuer <> Thu, 12 March 2020 07:14 UTC

Return-Path: <>
Received: from localhost (localhost []) by (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CC63A1211 for <>; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 00:14:23 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Received: from ([]) by localhost ( []) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jh-m2OOXNjdY for <>; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 00:14:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ( [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:57e6:2d0c::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15E003A1212 for <>; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 00:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [2a01:598:90a0:c7d5:84df:2daf:376a:134c]; authenticated by running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1jCI2q-0006Lj-2F; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 08:14:16 +0100
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Michael Breuer <>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0)
Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 08:14:14 +0100
Message-Id: <>
References: <>
Cc: "" <>
In-Reply-To: <>
X-Mailer: iPad Mail (17D50)
X-bounce-key:;; 1583997262; e089928e;
X-HE-SMSGID: 1jCI2q-0006Lj-2F
Archived-At: <>
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <>
List-Unsubscribe: <>, <>
List-Archive: <>
List-Post: <>
List-Help: <>
List-Subscribe: <>, <>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 07:14:24 -0000


> On 10. Mar 2020, at 21:38, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <> wrote:
> According to lawyers, at least in the case of Spanish law, from what I got about 10 minutes ago, if an event organizer cancels a meeting, it is responsible and liable for any cancellation's costs to participants, unless there is a "force major cause" (which clearly is not the case, until it is declared by the corresponding government).

In this case travel, accommodation, and the meeting fee are motivationally connected (for you), but legally independent contracts. According to German law, due to cancellation the event organizer would have to refund the meeting fee. The two other contracts would legally not be impacted by this.

Things are different if you had a package deal in form of a single contract. This makes things a bit more complicated for the official IETF hotels (only for the official room block!), but here (most of the time) cancellation policy with the hotel does cover this already.