Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Phillip Hallam-Baker <> Wed, 11 March 2020 19:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:37 PM Robert Raszuk <> wrote:

>> As I know, in many countries, what you write in your "rules" can't
>> contradict the country laws. Said in another way: laws invalidate clauses
>> in contracts that are more restrictive in regards to protecting rights. I'm
>> not sure either, but I can guess that this kind of laws of liability for
>> cancelation of events, etc., are most probably uniform across the EU.
> I don't think it matters. IETF LLC is based in Fremont, CA and all events
> organized by it regardless of event location are subject to US law.
> The fact that IETF is held in any place other then US does not mean that
> when you sign up to attend you are subject to your local country or region
> law.

I am not a lawyer but I do have significant (and expensive) experience in
international contract law and the above is completely wrong.

The correct answer is 'it is complicated'.

The only firm conclusion that can be made is that the non-recoverable costs
of bringing a case will almost certainly be many times the cost of a non
refundable economy ticket which is the maximum you are likely to recover.

So unless you have decided to take up international litigation as a hobby,
the issue is likely moot.