Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Wed, 11 March 2020 10:39 UTC

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Le 10/03/2020 à 22:29, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit :
> I understand that, but what we don’t realize is that it is the same for 
> a flu. Some people pass away with that, and vaccines are not a 100% 
> secure option.
> 
> And people that is feeling well but has a flu, still go to work and 
> conferences and so on.

That might have some underlying problem.

 From my side, I can tell the following: at work there are two things: 
(1) forms to fill in by visitors and (2) they distributed by email some 
posters with official diagrams about 'barrier' gestures (wash hands, 
etc.)  They said these will also be displayed (like in real display, not 
on an LCD screen or smartphone screen).  This display did not happen, 
and I suppose it will not happen.  I dont see myself printing it and 
posting it on a wall, I guess people will look at me suspectly.

This is a bad side effect of emails and pdfs.  The users of them assume 
everyone else does.  The users of smartphones assume everyone else does.

It's in the similar class with the mask dilemma.

I think that is one kind of underlying problem.

At this time I think it is not a problem to go to work.  If I take my 
car and go to work, I might be safe (?).

That is for now, but I dont know how it will evolve whether to better or 
to worse.

(on a side note, I learned that at other workplaces canteens the 
organizers distribute themselves the 'plateaux' to the convenees by 
using gloves, which I find a good measure at this time).

Alex
> 
> I still believe that we only help to increase the fear. If we ask for 
> participants to bring a test to be able to participate, then I agree, 
> but not this way (read my previous email about the “Italian closure”).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jordi
> 
> @jordipalet
> 
> El 10/3/20 21:33, "ietf en nombre de Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond" 
> <ietf-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de 
> ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>> escribió:
> 
> I think you are missing the point. And I can say that because as late as 
> a couple of weeks ago, I was missing the point too.
> As more and more countries are entering the tunnel of fear caused by 
> Covid-19, one pattern that is emerging is the exponential growth of 
> affected people. So 3 days ago you might have been in a country with 
> very few cases, and then it all blows out of proportion at an alarming 
> rate. The root reason of this, is that it appears that healthy segments 
> of the population might feel very light unease, like having light 
> flu-like symptoms, a slight headache, a persistent cough, nothing to 
> worry about really. Many people who got tested positive went around 
> their business for a number of days because they did not really feel 
> ill. And indeed the overwhelming number of people catching this virus 
> will sail through it in a few days with no lasting effects whatsoever.. 
> But they will act as carriers, vectors for spreading the virus further 
> and this is where there is a big problem: a certain segment of the 
> population appears to be particularly affected, particularly senior 
> citizens and those with an already existing pathology, however mild that 
> might be.
> The question we should be asking ourselves is: do we want to be vectors 
> for transmitting the virus and pass it on to some people who might end 
> up in critical condition from it?
> Through the cancellation of now 5 meetings that I was supposed to attend 
> in March and April, I have already personally lost a lot of money. I 
> hate it. Some hotels and airlines are now only starting to be ready to 
> give me (partial) refunds under conditions, or change the dates of 
> travel, but my losses for the time being are still real. My business is 
> also suffering as I consciously know that we are heading for drastic 
> confinement measures like that which were needed in countries that were 
> affected so far - and watch as the week goes by how quickly things are 
> happening. There is now mass cancellation of large gatherings and whilst 
> I laughed about it and was quite upset about cancellations a couple of 
> weeks ago, I now think it's the right thing. The sooner we stop the 
> spread of Covid-19 the sooner we can go back to business. Whatever it takes.
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Olivier
> 
> On 10/03/2020 20:57, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> 
>     Exactly! With this decision we just spread fear.
> 
>     A total no-sense unless really Canada ban the meetings (and that
>     will allow those that pre-paid NON-REFUNDABLE rates for hotels and
>     flights, get it refunded).
> 
>     Regards,
> 
>     Jordi
> 
>     @jordipalet
> 
>     El 10/3/20 20:46, "ietf en nombre de Mary B" <ietf-bounces@ietf.org
>     <mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de mary.h.barnes@gmail.com
>     <mailto:mary.h.barnes@gmail.com>> escribió:
> 
>     I think he stated his point very clearly - there is a broad range of
>     risk perceptions about COVID-19.  I was all for hopping on a plane
>     and going to Vancouver..  Actually, if I was gonna get sick,
>     Vancouver is probably a much better place with better healthcare
>     than the US.
> 
>     The worry and fear is just increasing people risks of getting sick
>     on the off chance they are exposed.  Stress suppresses immune
>     function. Of course, cookies and sodas do that as well.
> 
>     Regards,
> 
>     Mary.
> 
>     On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:43 PM Salz, Rich
>     <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org
>     <mailto:40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
> 
> 
>          >    Agreed. I can also understand why the decision took until
>              now. Different people's risk perceptions differ so I'm
>              sure others will quite reasonably disagree with me on
>              this, but with all the behind-the-scenes stuff that had
>              to be considered, in addition to the ongoing (and many
>              v. recent) changes people's travel plans, I do totally
>              get why it took 'till today to make the call.
> 
>         Good.  Share it with the rest of us.
> 
> 
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