Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <> Wed, 11 March 2020 19:04 UTC

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It will be interesting to see if the Mobile Congress had that kind of text, probably they had it, and doesn't matter.

As I know, in many countries, what you write in your "rules" can't contradict the country laws. Said in another way: laws invalidate clauses in contracts that are more restrictive in regards to protecting rights. I'm not sure either, but I can guess that this kind of laws of liability for cancelation of events, etc., are most probably uniform across the EU.

El 11/3/20 19:53, "ietf en nombre de Michael StJohns" < en nombre de> escribió:

    On 3/11/2020 1:29 PM, Jay Daley wrote:
    >> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote on 10/03/2020 20:37:
    >>> According to lawyers, at least in the case of Spanish law, from what
    >>> I got about 10 minutes ago, if an event organizer cancels a meeting,
    >>> it is responsible and liable for any cancellation's costs to
    >>> participants, unless there is a "force major cause" (which clearly is
    >>> not the case, until it is declared by the corresponding government).
    >> Could someone from the IETF confirm that this has been taken into 
    >> account in the risk analysis for the Madrid meeting?
    > No because this was the first we heard about this.  We will take legal 
    > advice.
    The US term is "Incidental and Consequential Damages".   I don't 
    remember if the registration includes any language about "IETF not 
    responsible for...." or "attendee waives liability for...".  It's 
    probably a good thing to add - after 35+ years of not needing it.   And 
    doesn't apply to any of the attendees for Madrid until the IETF starts 
    accepting registration fees from them.
    Later, Mike

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