Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Robert Raszuk <> Wed, 11 March 2020 20:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
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Thx Jay for clarification.

Do we have a copy of IETF registration rules or URL to it ?

Hi Philllip,

Thank you for your opinion. First I am not sure if registering in IETF is
really a contract in a legal sense. It is more like an event fee. But let's
assume it is. So IETF is a US company and it chooses to have a conference
in Mozambique.

I am in EU registering for that conference on IETF web page. Which law is
applicable ? US or EU or Mozambique ?

I asked above for the registration rules as it seems that if rules clearly
state up front that any dispute would be handled according to US law -
there is no case.

Many thx,

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 8:49 PM Phillip Hallam-Baker <>

> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:37 PM Robert Raszuk <> wrote:
>>> As I know, in many countries, what you write in your "rules" can't
>>> contradict the country laws. Said in another way: laws invalidate clauses
>>> in contracts that are more restrictive in regards to protecting rights. I'm
>>> not sure either, but I can guess that this kind of laws of liability for
>>> cancelation of events, etc., are most probably uniform across the EU.
>> I don't think it matters. IETF LLC is based in Fremont, CA and all events
>> organized by it regardless of event location are subject to US law.
>> The fact that IETF is held in any place other then US does not mean that
>> when you sign up to attend you are subject to your local country or region
>> law.
> I am not a lawyer but I do have significant (and expensive) experience in
> international contract law and the above is completely wrong.
> The correct answer is 'it is complicated'.
> The only firm conclusion that can be made is that the non-recoverable
> costs of bringing a case will almost certainly be many times the cost of a
> non refundable economy ticket which is the maximum you are likely to
> recover.
> So unless you have decided to take up international litigation as a hobby,
> the issue is likely moot.