Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Wed, 11 March 2020 16:15 UTC

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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 12:14:52 -0400
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Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
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This discussion is pointless and unhelpful.

1) The decision has been taken, it cannot be untaken.
2) There is more than sufficient reason to cancel because the meeting
cannot be productive
3) Holding the meeting would almost certainly lead to spreading the disease
further
4) There is a significant probability that many attendees would be unable
to return home if they attempted to attend.
5) It is very probable that the Canadian or US authorities will bar travel
before or during the meeting.

Besides the public health concerns, we are about to see a recession
the only question is how deep and how long. Many people's employers are
going to be continuing to limit travel for the rest of the year. For most
IETF participants, to go to Vancouver for an international meeting would
have been a severely career limiting move.

Sure, we could ignore government orders. But these are orders that are
being made to protect public health. The IETF is not an anarchist
collective.

If folk were following my FB feed, they would know that two of the
exhibitors at RSA have come down with COVID, one is on a ventilator. Had
IETF 107 not been cancelled when it was, I would have begun a campaign on
and off the IETF list to cancel. If it wasn't for the fact I am not fully
coherent yet and can't actually attend anyway, I would have likely begun
earlier.

IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled The IESG
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Joseph Lorenzo Hall
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Michael StJohns
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Kyle Rose
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Eric Rescorla
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Marc Petit-Huguenin
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Stephen Farrell
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alissa Cooper
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Toerless Eckert
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Mary B
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Michael StJohns
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Jari Arkko
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Brian E Carpenter
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Michael StJohns
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Adam Roach
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled otroan
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Stewart Bryant
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Cullen Jennings
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Carlos M. Martinez
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Brian Trammell (IETF)
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Vittorio Bertola
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alissa Cooper
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Keith Moore
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Rich Kulawiec
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Job Snijders
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Marc Petit-Huguenin
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Lou Berger
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Joel M. Halpern
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Paul Wouters
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Victor Kuarsingh
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Fred Baker
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Marc Petit-Huguenin
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Melchior Aelmans
AW: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled N.Leymann
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Christian Hopps
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Theodore Y. Ts'o
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Soininen, Jonne (Nokia - FI/Espoo)
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Randy Bush
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Bob Hinden
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled John C Klensin
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Scott O. Bradner
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Khaled Omar
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Spencer Dawkins at IETF
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Livingood, Jason
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Scott O. Bradner
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled John Levine
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled John Levine
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Jay Daley
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled George Michaelson
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Terry Manderson
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Salz, Rich
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Fernando Gont
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled John C Klensin
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Benoit Claise
In person versus virtual? Eliot Lear
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Tim Chown
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled tom petch
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Nick Hilliard
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Tim Chown
Re: In person versus virtual? Tim Chown
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Christian
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Vittorio Bertola
Re: In person versus virtual? Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Leif Johansson
Re: In person versus virtual? Christian Hopps
Re: In person versus virtual? Marc Petit-Huguenin
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
Air Canada, was Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person … Paul Wouters
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Fernando Gont
RE: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Khaled Omar
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Mary B
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Adam Roach
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Theodore Y. Ts'o
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Ole Jacobsen
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
RE: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Khaled Omar
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Robert Raszuk
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Joel M. Halpern
RE: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Daniele Ceccarelli
Re: Madrid Alexandre Petrescu
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Mary B
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Toerless Eckert
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Nick Hilliard
RE: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Peter Saint-Andre
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Mikael Abrahamsson
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Marc Petit-Huguenin
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Jay Daley
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Fernando Gont
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Michael StJohns
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Robert Raszuk
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Jay Daley
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Robert Raszuk
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Stan Kalisch
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled S Moonesamy
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Carsten Bormann
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Michael Breuer
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
RE: Air Canada, was Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Per… Roni Even (A)
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled S Moonesamy
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Fernando Gont
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Adam Roach
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Rich Kulawiec
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Theodore Y. Ts'o
IETF 108 (i.e. "models to combat the ... the viru… Joseph Potvin
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
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Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Ross Finlayson
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Tim Bray
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Keith Moore
Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled Alexandre Petrescu
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