Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled

George Michaelson <> Wed, 11 March 2020 02:12 UTC

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From: George Michaelson <>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 12:12:18 +1000
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Subject: Re: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled
To: Jay Daley <>
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I am one of the people who communicated with Jay privately, and his
replies to me privately, and here publicly completely align: What he
said to me, is what he has said here.


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:07 PM Jay Daley <> wrote:
> Rich
> On 11/03/2020, at 8:42 AM, Salz, Rich <> wrote:
>   The IESG and the IRTF Chair have been assessing the viability of the in-person meeting based on the community’s ability to be productive. Assessment of health concerns has been the job of the LLC, on a separate track.
> Could the LLC have cancelled the meeting?  How separate were the tracks?  The IESG didn't consider health concerns at all?
> To put it in common business terms, I think we're owed a root cause analysis of the full decision-making process by all parties.
> Let me add to Adam’s helpful note, speaking only for the LLC here.
> I certainly intend to have an internal debrief to identify any outstanding issues and lessons for next time and then share details of that and get comment.  This is important as a number of decisions were made on the fly and we need to circle back to have those validated/challenged.  For example, our decision to follow public health advice was made in the absence of a community decision and was maintained despite a few community members expressing very strong disagreement (largely in private).
> I don’t however see any benefit in producing the kind of detailed timeline of actions and decisions that is normally part of a root cause analysis.  This is not a crash investigation so we don’t need to get forensic.
> Yes the LLC track was entirely separate and focused primarily on the health risk.  I would welcome a discussion about the reasoning and decision making around this as part of the process outlined above.
> Finally, perhaps the most important thing to note about the decision making is that the IESG followed an evidence-based process, focused on their area of control and made a rational decision based on the data they collected.  That’s not easy in these circumstances.
> Jay
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> Jay Daley
> IETF Executive Director
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