Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Melinda Shore <> Tue, 24 May 2016 17:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
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On 5/24/16 9:26 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> I do not doubt that it sucks to be a gay or bisexual male living in
> Singapore. Spending a week there for work should be fine.

I think it's hard to understand a problem that you haven't
lived.  One of the things that happens when you live under
conditions of legal (or not) discrimination is that you
learn to negotiate it, build private safe spaces, and so on.
You understand the constraints within which you need to
operate.  Visitors are actually at a disadvantage in that

Nobody here has been able to answer questions about what
would happen if someone in Ted's family were to need to be
hospitalized while visiting Singapore, what would happen if
something happened involving the police (say, a mugging or
a traffic accident), and so on.  The assurances we've gotten
haven't been reassuring at all, as they've tended to take
the form of hearsay.  "I'm sure it would be fine" does not
actually answer any questions.  "Those laws are not enforced"
does not address family legal relationships, and so on.