Re: IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Tue, 24 May 2016 21:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
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On 5/24/16 1:03 PM, John Levine wrote:
> The answer to your question still seems to be we don't know, with a
> great deal of variability based on the situation.  It's the same
> answer I'd give in parts of the U.S., too.

I would not - in the US, there's recourse.

Melinda