Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> Tue, 24 May 2016 19:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
To: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
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Jordi,

I've never heard any indication that the extremely minimal companion stuff
(a mailing list and one gathering that the companions pay for) has factored
into the IAOC venue-selection.

It's always easy to give up - in the abstract - things that don't affect
you.

In this particular instance, the concern is about keeping legal
guardianship & medical concerns in a
country whose laws may not recognize familial ties legal in other
countries.   There can certainly be personal
reasons why bringing a child along is necessary - and they don't require
others' judgement as to whether those
reasons are "deserving" enough.

Regards,
Alia

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:04 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:

> +1  to drop companion stuff IF it is increasing the IAOC venue-selection
> criteria difficulties, and I want to make it clear, even if it affects me
> personally at any time.
>
> Even if is only for simple curiosity (I don’t think our decisions must
> consider other organizations decisions, but is always good to know), it
> will be nice to know if venue-selection-criteria of other similar
> organizations take in consideration possible “difficulties” for
> companion/familties.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Nir <
> ynir.ietf@gmail.com>
> Responder a: <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>
> Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 20:52
> Para: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
> CC: <ietf@ietf.org>
> Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward
> and request for input
>
> >
> >> On 24 May 2016, at 9:28 PM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 5/24/16 10:14 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> >>> Then I guess where I disagree with both you and Melinda is that I don’t
> >>> think the ability to bring families along should be an important
> >>> consideration.
> >>
> >> I don't, either, but as long as the IETF does, and provides
> >> a companion program, I feel quite strongly that IETF travel
> >> should be equally accessible to all families.  I'd personally
> >> be good with dropping the companion stuff UNLESS it was done
> >> specifically to avoid problems with travel to places hostile
> >> to same-sex partners.
> >
> >I would be happy with dropping the companion stuff for many reasons. The
> fact that it adds considerations and criteria to the IAOC’s decision
> process that already has way too many criteria is just another reason to
> drop it.
> >
> >Yoav
> >
> >
>
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