Re: IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

<nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com> Wed, 25 May 2016 15:24 UTC

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From: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com
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>>On 5/25/16 6:17 AM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
>> So, it is not OK to put an additional burden sometimes on GLBT people
>> but it is OK to put an additional burden on Asian and African and
>> other people as far as cost, racism, visa, etc, etc?

>Perhaps we should regard this as an opportunity to talk
>about which forms of bigotry we'll accommodate and which
>we won't.
Well said.

Nalini