Re: IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Margaret Cullen <margaretw42@gmail.com> Wed, 25 May 2016 16:58 UTC

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> On May 25, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 25 May 2016, Melinda Shore wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps we should regard this as an opportunity to talk about which forms of bigotry we'll accommodate and which we won't.
> 
> We're accomodating bigotry all the time.
> 
> Compare:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Singapore
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_United_States#Visa_exemption
> 
> Now tell me how many more participants enjoy a lot less hassle in order to attend Singapore compared to attending a meeting in USA? Notice also that this isn't theoretical or low risk hassle, this is actual hassle of having to go through a visa application process with all that means.

I went through a visa application process to attend the meeting in China, and there was no point in that process where I was concerned that I might be imprisoned for my race, religion, gender, sexual orientation or gender expression…  

Is that a real risk for IETF attendees who are applying for visas to attend U.S. meetings?  If so, in what way?  Or are you talking about annoying paperwork?

Margaret