Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 24 May 2016 14:19 UTC

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It seems like generally most countries have some human rights issues to
complain about. Could you please indicate which countries we would be free
to visit under your proposed rule?

-Ekr

P.S. You might find https://www.hrw.org/ useful here.


On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:50 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:

> In the context:
>
> “IF” we decide not to go to Singapore, then we must avoid going to ANY
> country that is against human rights, including death penalty.
>
>
> Saludos,
> Jordi
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>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
> Responder a: <ekr@rtfm.com>
> Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 15:46
> Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
> CC: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
> Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward
> and request for input
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> >
> >On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:25 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
> jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:
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> >I will go further:
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> >      The same must apply for any country where death penalty is still
> applied.
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> >So I take it you oppose meeting in Singapore?
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore
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> >-Ekr
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> >Saludos,
> >Jordi
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> >-----Mensaje original-----
> >De: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Jordi Palet Martinez <
> jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
> >Responder a: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
> >Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 14:22
> >Para: <ietf@ietf.org>
> >Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path
> forward and request for input
> >
> >>+1
> >>
> >>Saludos,
> >>Jordi
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Mensaje original-----
> >>De: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Mikael Abrahamsson <
> swmike@swm.pp.se>
> >>Organización: People's Front Against WWW
> >>Responder a: <swmike@swm.pp.se>
> >>Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 14:09
> >>Para: Harish Pillay <harish.pillay@gmail.com>
> >>CC: <ietf@ietf.org>
> >>Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path
> forward and request for input
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 23 May 2016, Harish Pillay wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> ever used. That is my world experience. When I travel to the US and
> >>>> I see people carrying weapons, how am I supposed to react/respond?
> >>>
> >>>Let me +1 this here, I am seriously scared for my life whenever I
> interact
> >>>with law enforcement officers in the US, just from the fact that I know
> >>>they have to interact with armed people all the time and have to be
> >>>cautious that anyone they interact with has a decent likelyhood to be
> >>>armed.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html
> >>>
> >>>If we can't go to Singapore because they happen to have anti-LGBT laws
> on
> >>>the books, then I suggest we do not have any further meetings in USA at
> >>>all, especially not states that have stand-your-ground laws on their
> >>>books.
> >>>
> >>>As opposed to Singapore where anti-LGBT laws aren't really enforced, in
> >>>USA these kinds of laws seems to be on the rise instead of things
> getting
> >>>better.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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