Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Alia Atlas <> Tue, 24 May 2016 20:16 UTC

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Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 16:14:13 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
From: Alia Atlas <>
To: Ted Lemon <>
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On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Ted Lemon <> wrote:

> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Alia Atlas <> wrote:
>> There are certainly conferences that help by providing information about
>> chlidcare (frequently available through the hotel or such) or even
>> organizing joint childcare.  Strangely enough, that helps increase the
>> participation of those with young children and childcare responsibilities
>> (frequently women).  I am not requesting that the IAOC do so - though
>> certainly gathering information about childcare one time for use by many
>> would be helpful.
> TBH, this seems much more generally useful to me than optimizing for the
> case of bringing the family along as support for the same thing, which
> seems like a fairly heavy lift for many likely IETF participants in
> comparison.

Yes - and I have requested it a few times.  I don't need it now and so feel
it is easier to request.  That said, it is a way of being more opening -
and the IAOC is juggling quite a few other things right now.

> The case of a nursing adoptive mother seems like a real corner case in the
> sense that I am not aware of any countries the IETF is likely to ever go to
> that would not recognize the nursing mother's parental rights.

LBGT - two women who have both adopted the child?   A transgender man who
is nursing?  But, as Melinda pointed out, this is a rat-hole.

The key point is that there are reasons that folks spend significant money
to bring along a child and caregiver - and those shouldn't be glibly
dismissed as "playing tourist or taking a vacation".

To me, the question around Singapore is what are the realities of
enforcement and are we playing a double-standard between what many of us
sadly just accept in the US versus what is on the books in Singapore.  I've
certainly read of far too many horror stories of families traveling in the
US who ran into medical emergencies.