Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 24 May 2016 18:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
From: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>
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> On 24 May 2016, at 9:28 PM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 5/24/16 10:14 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
>> Then I guess where I disagree with both you and Melinda is that I don’t
>> think the ability to bring families along should be an important
>> consideration.
> 
> I don't, either, but as long as the IETF does, and provides
> a companion program, I feel quite strongly that IETF travel
> should be equally accessible to all families.  I'd personally
> be good with dropping the companion stuff UNLESS it was done
> specifically to avoid problems with travel to places hostile
> to same-sex partners.

I would be happy with dropping the companion stuff for many reasons. The fact that it adds considerations and criteria to the IAOC’s decision process that already has way too many criteria is just another reason to drop it. 

Yoav