Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Tue, 24 May 2016 19:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
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From: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
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On 5/24/16 11:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> If we are going to bring breastfeeding into this, which seems
> reasonable, it's worth asking if someone can actually construct a
> situation in which the breastfeeding mother would be present with the
> baby, but the local government would not recognize _her_ parental
> rights.

We looped down a side-road.  Apparently there's some feeling
that the way to solve the problem with familial rights in same-
sex families not being recognized in Singapore is to simply
eliminate the companion program (a very Kim Davis solution).
I said I don't like the companion program because I think it
tends to over-emphasize the role of meetings in our processes.
Alia answered with a concrete example of why the companion program
is useful and should be continued.  I don't think anybody
was arguing that there's a legal issue related to parental
rights around breastfeeding (although I understand that
there's a ton of legal issues, and local variability in
those legal issues, around public breastfeeding).

Melinda