Re: IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Wed, 25 May 2016 15:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com, Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com>
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On 5/25/16 6:17 AM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
> So, it is not OK to put an additional burden sometimes on GLBT people
> but it is OK to put an additional burden on Asian and African and
> other people as far as cost, racism, visa, etc, etc?

Perhaps we should regard this as an opportunity to talk
about which forms of bigotry we'll accommodate and which
we won't.

Melinda