Re: IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Melinda Shore <> Tue, 24 May 2016 20:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
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On 5/24/16 11:56 AM, Barry Raveendran Greene wrote:
> In which context of “familial legal rights?" Remember, this issue is
> going to take a good decade to work through the US system.

No, it's not.  The Supreme Court has ruled on it.
Local jurisdictions that pass laws in contradiction
to the recognizing the full legal rights of same-sex
couples and their families are being slapped around
by higher courts.  Socially there are still issues,
but legally, same-sex family legal rights are settled
in the US, as they are in Canada and in many European

So, the question stands: will the familial and
parental rights of people in same-sex relationships
be respected in Singapore?

Carry on laughing now, if you wish.