Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

[Adam Roach <[e-mail]>]

One of the things on your list is completely unlike the others.

#1, #2, #3, #4, and #6 affect everyone equally.

#5 does not.

That's pretty fundamental to this discussion.

/a

On 5/24/16 09:28, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> Do we really want to debate this now and in this list?
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> My suggestion was looking into “hopefully” we don’t start that way with the first case Singapore, because then I will must take all the points in the “Topics” section of the web site you suggested.
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> Just to name a few (not in any particular order), which are relevant to countries that we visited already, and some that we visit often:
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> 1) Freedom of Speech
> 2) Death penalty
> 3) Torture
> 4) Justice
> 5) LGBT rights
> 6) Free use of guns
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> As said, if we go that way, we will end up in reducing to the half the number of possible countries from the ones we have already been.
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> Saludos,
> Jordi
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> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]>
> Responder a: <[e-mail]>
> Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 16:18
> Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <[e-mail]>
> CC: IETF discussion list <[e-mail]>
> Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
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>> It seems like generally most countries have some human rights issues to complain about. Could you please indicate which countries we would be free to visit under your proposed rule?
>> -Ekr
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>> P.S. You might find https://www.hrw.org/ useful here.
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>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:50 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> In the context:
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>> “IF” we decide not to go to Singapore, then we must avoid going to ANY country that is against human rights, including death penalty.
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>> Saludos,
>> Jordi
>>
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]>
>> Responder a: <[e-mail]>
>> Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 15:46
>> Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <[e-mail]>
>> CC: IETF discussion list <[e-mail]>
>> Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
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>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:25 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>>> I will go further:
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>>>       The same must apply for any country where death penalty is still applied.
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>>> So I take it you oppose meeting in Singapore?
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore
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>>> -Ekr
>>>
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>>>
>>> Saludos,
>>> Jordi
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: ietf <[e-mail]> en nombre de Jordi Palet Martinez <[e-mail]>
>>> Responder a: Jordi Palet Martinez <[e-mail]>
>>> Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 14:22
>>> Para: <[e-mail]>
>>> Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
>>>
>>>> +1
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>>>> Saludos,
>>>> Jordi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>> De: ietf <[e-mail]> en nombre de Mikael Abrahamsson <[e-mail]>
>>>> Organización: People's Front Against WWW
>>>> Responder a: <[e-mail]>
>>>> Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 14:09
>>>> Para: Harish Pillay <[e-mail]>
>>>> CC: <[e-mail]>
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2016, Harish Pillay wrote:
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>>>>>> ever used. That is my world experience. When I travel to the US and
>>>>>> I see people carrying weapons, how am I supposed to react/respond?
>>>>> Let me +1 this here, I am seriously scared for my life whenever I interact
>>>>> with law enforcement officers in the US, just from the fact that I know
>>>>> they have to interact with armed people all the time and have to be
>>>>> cautious that anyone they interact with has a decent likelyhood to be
>>>>> armed.
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>>>>> http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html
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>>>>> If we can't go to Singapore because they happen to have anti-LGBT laws on
>>>>> the books, then I suggest we do not have any further meetings in USA at
>>>>> all, especially not states that have stand-your-ground laws on their
>>>>> books.
>>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to Singapore where anti-LGBT laws aren't really enforced, in
>>>>> USA these kinds of laws seems to be on the rise instead of things getting
>>>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mikael Abrahamsson    email: [e-mail]
>>>>>
>>>>>
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