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Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Sat, 21 May 2016 21:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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On 5/21/16 1:00 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> I love Chicago. But some stupidity in the US system means that citizens
> there are now able to carry concealed guns pretty much anywhere anytime.
> I will no longer feel comfortable there next time I visit.

I can respect that, but let's be clear about the issue with
Singapore: relationships between men are criminal offenses.
I think there's a distinction to be drawn between being at
risk from the environment and being at risk from the state.

Melinda

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