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Re: [rtcweb] H.264 patent licensing options (was: Re: confirming sense of the room: mti codec)

Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> Wed, 10 December 2014 23:20 UTC

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From: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
To: Lorenzo Miniero <lorenzo@meetecho.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] H.264 patent licensing options (was: Re: confirming sense of the room: mti codec)
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Lorenzo Miniero <lorenzo@meetecho.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:04:46 -0500
> Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > This conversation is out of scope for this mailing list.
> >
>
>
> And yet it does raise some flags, though. Had I blindly trusted the claims
> that have been made on this ML (not out of scope at the time, apparently)
> about what the infamous plugin allegedly provided, I could have ended up
> offering services based on openH264 and hopefully try and make some money
> out of it: only to find myself suitable in the process, and in perfectly
> good faith. I don't think raising awareness on such a delicate issue that
> matters to the discussion is so out of scope.
>
>
You might as well discuss such things as what is the definition of RAND and
if such things as IPR declarations are legally enforceable. Both are very
tricky and very heavily depend on the the standard body.
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Roman Shpount

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