Re: [rtcweb] Unhappy People (was: confirming sense of the room: mti codec)

"Timothy B. Terriberry" <tterriberry@mozilla.com> Fri, 12 December 2014 15:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Unhappy People (was: confirming sense of the room: mti codec)
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Ross Finlayson wrote:
> I think that just about everybody is unhappy about at least some aspect
> of this compromise.  (For example, as I noted at the microphone in

Yes. From reading the comments in this discussion, it seems to me many 
people are unhappy with many _different_ aspects of the proposal. 
However, there's no one aspect that everyone universally agrees is bad 
[1]. I include myself among those unhappy people, despite my overall 
support for the proposal.

[1] The one possible exception is the term "WebRTC-compatible" to 
describe a thing that doesn't obey the WebRTC specs, but as Christer 
pointed out, that's not an issue with the proposal, that's an issue with 
draft-ietf-rtcweb-overview.