[rtcweb] What is the judging criteria? (Was: H.264 patent licensing options)

cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org> Thu, 11 December 2014 19:40 UTC

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Richard,

I don't want to start a flamewar but I don't get the IETF's reasoning on 
this matter.

Is the IETF planning to pick one or more MTI codecs based purely on 
technical merits?  Or are they taking other matters (such as licensing) 
into consideration?

If you are judging based purely on technical merits, why are we 
entertaining this "compromise" proposal? I thought we had agreed long 
ago that both codecs were more or less equivalent from a technical merit 
point of view.

If you are not judging purely based on technical merits, why are we not 
allowed to debate matters that are part of the judging criteria?

Gili

On 11/12/2014 1:53 PM, Richard Barnes wrote:
> Just to clarify: The above messages closing the thread were with my 
> RAI AD hat on, so as a matter of IETF process.