Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Tue, 23 February 2021 08:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
To: Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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Hello, Bron,

On 23/2/21 01:19, Bron Gondwana wrote:
> Thanks Fernando,
> 
> I would add to this document something about inertia, backwards 
> compatibility and existing dysfunction.

Could you elaborate a bit more on what you mean by each of these?

And, if you could provide examples, and any suggestions on what might be 
done to fix or improve the issue, that would also be nice.


[...]
> 
> ... all that to say.  One of the biggest barriers to entry in the IETF 
> is stumbling across an area in which no work is able to progress due to 
> entrenched issues within that area.

Agree on this one.



> And I'm not arguing for "no barriers to entry", because there needs to 
> be a sanity check that we're actually producing high quality 
> specifications, and that our specifications are compatible with each 
> other so the entirety of the IETF's work product is a coherent whole.  
> But it's hard to get started if you don't already have the connections 
> to have your work sponsored by somebody who already knows their way 
> around the IETF's idiosyncrasies.

Also agree on this one.

Thanks!

Regards,
-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
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