Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Bron Gondwana <> Tue, 23 February 2021 12:46 UTC

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 23:46:34 +1100
From: "Bron Gondwana" <>
To: "Rifaat Shekh-Yusef" <>
Cc: "Hannes Tschofenig" <>, "" <>, "" <>
Subject: Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, at 23:40, Rifaat Shekh-Yusef wrote:
> So you have never reached out to us to try to bring any work to the WG, and based on attending one meeting and hearing from a few people, you formed a strong opinion and declared that "nothing would get done"? that seems odd.

Based on a few meetings, and having heard from many people.

> For your information, last year we published 4 RFCs, and we already have 3 documents with the IESG and more to come.

That's good to hear.

> If you have anything you want to bring to the OAuth WG, Hannes and I would be happy to discuss this with you or anyone that wants to bring work to the OAuth WG.

Thanks.  I don't mean to pick on OAuth specifically, but I also would recommend that you ask around and see whether my view of the culture of the OAuth working group is widely shared within the IETF or whether I've managed to find myself inside a small echo chamber that has a poor opinion of the welcoming-ness of the working group.

Either way, the fact that the participants of the JMAP working group (including myself) who were all new to the IETF at the time were warned that OAuth is not a place where you can reasonably expect to get your work advanced is an indictment of SOMETHING, and that's worth having a think about in terms of making the IETF a welcoming place.



  Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd