Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Tue, 23 February 2021 21:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 08:57:06 +1100
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> On 24 Feb 2021, at 2:20 am, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> And way back when I was AD, OAuth was by far the most productive working group I managed.  They put out what felt like about 3 documents a meeting for full publication.  I was the AD for 3 years, ending in 2017 when EKR became an AD.
> 
> There was a bit of management as a result of the number of experts and varying use cases for their environments, but even with that, OAuth was very productive.  Since your document was 2016, I was likely the AD.  Yes, the meetings had challenges at times, but we worked through it and things got done.

Measuring productivity through the number of documents published is not a good habit for us to get into; it gives incentive to all of the wrong kinds of behaviours. Having some success metrics for our work has come up in the IAB a few times, but we haven't made much progress.  

Cheers,


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