Re: [OAUTH-WG] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com> Tue, 23 February 2021 22:19 UTC

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 09:18:55 +1100
From: "Bron Gondwana" <brong@fastmailteam.com>
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, at 09:11, Rifaat Shekh-Yusef wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 4:57 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
>> 
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>> > On 24 Feb 2021, at 2:20 am, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>> > And way back when I was AD, OAuth was by far the most productive working group I managed.  They put out what felt like about 3 documents a meeting for full publication.  I was the AD for 3 years, ending in 2017 when EKR became an AD.
>> > 
>> > There was a bit of management as a result of the number of experts and varying use cases for their environments, but even with that, OAuth was very productive.  Since your document was 2016, I was likely the AD.  Yes, the meetings had challenges at times, but we worked through it and things got done.
>> 
>> Measuring productivity through the number of documents published is not a good habit for us to get into;
> 
> The number of documents published was in response to a comment that "nothing would get done" at the OAuth WG. Which is clearly not true.

Yeah, that wasn't a very clear comment, sorry, though I would still say that having your milestones all say 2017 doesn't suggest to a drive-by tourist that the group is making progress.  I'm not sure if there's a norm across the IETF that 

The impression that I got when joining IETF was that OAuth would not be welcoming to any new work which didn't fit their existing view of the world, and that they were not making good progress with the work they were trying to do.  Maybe that impression was wrong - if so, it was definitely a widely held wrong impression among the people I talked to.

Bron.

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