Re: HTML for email

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Tue, 02 March 2021 18:26 UTC

Return-Path: <moore@network-heretics.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69073A0BFC for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 2 Mar 2021 10:26:54 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.918
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SLmntpWHXHWW for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 2 Mar 2021 10:26:53 -0800 (PST)
Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30E3C3A0BD7 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 2 Mar 2021 10:26:53 -0800 (PST)
Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9639D5C003F for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 2 Mar 2021 13:26:52 -0500 (EST)
Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 02 Mar 2021 13:26:52 -0500
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=cjpJIz c/IGLMeDDqsmgpxcGe0nyhpnaORqj/7qpTCGg=; b=OY8vUTXmigjxi+FWXGKw/+ HfAYDV7oNoPBsEof3HB8Nybt/6r0mV3DID/pm3eSTdHAf5tOfg1udeJxlxTGRItT kK6iT64JSa9w0H0+p+OO3wDRcW+C+3yrhq86ES/f328AyQMmxUefHPTbpwBO5y75 rGuzj4oMy3vv8jD3HZzP4pxJEDdvWBACfWRo06Xndm2CqouSf1g94TaGSatWWBmD 5k52hZnfdoYgyOV0zBnHVnHSGy9M7fCD8mcPkEwL+33w/C4yipuq4nOBjLXfWa3+ 2QxJUNDuwopPS7nVudWkDP+4zbaWWm4E9QcP2sO+uyt1csH7qo7UhX+D2p3P9G9Q ==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:bIM-YCtYXCljJabSX0mgRd5ROBgX9yAm31qaGFXoF8ToStTP9T3cnA> <xme:bIM-YAaGKCkHinhwPSfqUu1z5aGSE1nTFOTvmHcrmVV08kOEIpumuAJfWN9y513QJ SZkziorEqi8ig>
X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledruddttddguddtjecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtsegrtd erredtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefmvghithhhucfoohhorhgvuceomhhoohhrvgesnhgvthif ohhrkhdqhhgvrhgvthhitghsrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeevfeetudeige dtledvvddtudefjeejffdvfeetjeeiueelgfdtgfegtdffkeetudenucfkphepuddtkedr vddvuddrudektddrudehnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrg hilhhfrhhomhepmhhoohhrvgesnhgvthifohhrkhdqhhgvrhgvthhitghsrdgtohhm
X-ME-Proxy: <xmx:bIM-YJW8awbcHz5ycuHl46Szx_-sGtzh0GE-QN1Ya_ZSJePdtD_FQQ> <xmx:bIM-YNRqGo7E_lekn9Xoew5eA9w5IQCHLuaMr9Ov_JxOmP99dhVu1g> <xmx:bIM-YPNObdmRXGTOwNiCOb3IBYjIWbNQsT5bBRRBbm3ZAHoeZ0UTbg> <xmx:bIM-YE8kS5gRgPkwg3anR6OiDUfgE6ki75azZnNe5VG5HOo06x3nCw>
Received: from [192.168.1.90] (108-221-180-15.lightspeed.knvltn.sbcglobal.net [108.221.180.15]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0C60224005B for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 2 Mar 2021 13:26:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: HTML for email
To: ietf@ietf.org
References: <20210227190200.06ED46F10439@ary.qy> <4064.1614454347@localhost> <s1f0vo$ejp$1@gal.iecc.com> <59240886-320d-fae3-6b98-7b83dacaf5e7@network-heretics.com> <CAMm+LwhWCsG68GOws-Zm9TDcEZ4trGBhq7Dm-_0Ci8Ri7kDK=Q@mail.gmail.com> <603E0C9E.8060308@btconnect.com> <CAMm+LwgGBMND_JATrhFz_g2+UB2RYFnjsjMBy5MSicn6hZhBsw@mail.gmail.com> <a668568b-77f1-3030-d5d8-3fd6d94d4f33@network-heretics.com> <CAMm+LwiBijaXy9Ai3v2_b1FdZd3s2fBYykLrUG1knavCupOwcg@mail.gmail.com>
From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
Message-ID: <c5d91d4a-a51a-3d1c-eaf6-74d40b3c0a8f@network-heretics.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 13:26:50 -0500
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAMm+LwiBijaXy9Ai3v2_b1FdZd3s2fBYykLrUG1knavCupOwcg@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9DBCF82D97532A4ED8170B7A"
Content-Language: en-US
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/Rlh2fMHysMiKBKGKz5xMDgLCNqQ>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 18:26:55 -0000

On 3/2/21 12:52 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

> Will either succeed? Probably not but we have both been successful in 
> deploying very large systems in the past. Nobody can be sure of success.
>
> What I am certain of though is that failure is certain if nobody 
> bothers to try.
Completely agree with that much.   And a new idea doesn't have to be a 
complete success for it to be beneficial.
> It is pretty easy to see where the Internet is headed at this point. 
> The Web is the only open system that hasn't fallen into disrepair.

I would claim that the web *has* fallen into disrepair. It's a huge 
honking mess that seems likely to drown in its own increasing complexity 
even if nothing comes along to replace it. Some of what's there will 
probably survive, but I don't know how much or how ubiquitous it will be.

Keith