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Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> Thu, 25 February 2021 08:22 UTC

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From: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>
To: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>, Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.s.ietf@gmail.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
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As someone who has chaired several working groups it is my experience that even with the best preparation the meetings are unpredictable. It is unpredictable because we are dealing with humans. To avoid total chaos many working groups meet outside the official meeting time to discuss and prepare contentious topics. Sometimes this works and sometimes this does not.

If you want to always have "shiny and happy" meetings then we need to stage them, like in politics. In some cases you have to submit questions upfront and only the answers are read to you. I don't think you would want this either.

I think we have to tune our expectations a bit: not everything works right from the start and not everyone gets what he or she wants.

Ciao
Hannes

-----Original Message-----
From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of S Moonesamy
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:13 AM
To: Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.s.ietf@gmail.com>; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Hi Rifaat,
At 04:40 AM 23-02-2021, Rifaat Shekh-Yusef wrote:
>So you have never reached out to us to try to bring any work to the WG,
>and based on attending one meeting and hearing from a few people, you
>formed a strong opinion and declared that "nothing would get done"?
>that seems odd.

I suggest looking at it from a different perspective.  A person who is new to the IETF attends a working group session held at some exotic location.  There are the usual active participants debating during the session.  There isn't any significant progress on the
issue(s) in his/her opinion.  Would he/she commit more time to engage in that working group?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

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