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Re: [rtcweb] Counting NOs (Re: Straw Poll on Nokia mincing)

"Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Mon, 23 December 2013 06:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Counting NOs (Re: Straw Poll on Nokia mincing)
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On 2013/12/23 14:05, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 12/22/2013 8:59 PM, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote:
>> The IETF as a whole does not have a *formal* membership concept. Nobody
>> has to register, there are no membership rosters, and so on. People just
>> participate. But for WGs, membership is slightly more formal. As far as
>> I understand, the membership of a WG is defined to be the people
>> subscribed to the mailing list.
>
>
> Sorry, but simply and absolutely not.
>
> IETF working groups do not have membership. Period.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418, which is an IETF BEST CURRENT 
PRACTICE, contains phrases such as "members of the IETF", "IETF 
members", and "working group members". Are you saying it needs to be 
revised?

It also contains the sentence "There is no formal membership in the IETF.".

> The concept simply does not apply to IETF work, except for formal
> management groups like Nomcom, IESG, and a few others. But working
> groups? No. Not at all.

So my conclusion is that membership applies, formal membership doesn't.

Regards,   Martin.

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