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Re: [rtcweb] Straw Poll on Nokia mincing

Ron <ron@debian.org> Thu, 19 December 2013 03:30 UTC

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Please people, changing the subject for side discussions like the Chairs
requested isn't rocket science ...


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:47:14PM +0000, Stephan Wenger wrote:
> My gosh.  Nokia has people at the IETF, and they made statements
> and have not minced words.

They also have people making statements in the courts, where they
seem to be getting, well, thoroughly minced!


The interesting question isn't Nokia's intention here, I don't think
anyone seriously doubts what it is.  The interesting questions are
twofold:

 a) Do they even have the slimmest leg to stand on with their claims
    against VP8?  There's so far no supporting evidence to say that
    they do, and plenty stacking up against them.

 b) Given their stubborn refusal to make any declaration about their
    intentions or IPR for H.264 here, does anybody have even the
    slightest idea what their terms are for licencing the Cisco blob?


Meritorious or meretricious, the devil is in such little details.

  Ron

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