[rtcweb] Straw Poll on Video Codec Alternatives

matt frost <mcfrost@gmail.com> Mon, 13 January 2014 13:55 UTC

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Just re-posting (on January 13) after having it pointed out to me that the
Subject line of my previous message did not make for easy discovery of my
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From: matt frost <mcfrost@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: rtcweb Digest, Vol 34, Issue 21
To: rtcweb@ietf.org


My responses to the straw poll below:


   1.

   All entities MUST support H.264
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      2.

   All entities MUST support VP8
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: YES
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      3.

   All entities MUST support both H.264 and VP8
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: ACCEPTABLE
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      4.

   Browsers MUST support both H.264 and VP8, other entities MUST support at
   least one of H.264 and VP8
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: ACCEPTABLE
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      5.

   All entities MUST support at least one of H.264 and VP8
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      6.

   All entities MUST support H.261
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      7.

   There is no MTI video codec
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:  NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      8.

   All entities MUST support H.261 and all entities MUST support at least
   one of H.264 and VP8
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      9.

   All entities MUST support Theora
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      10.

   All entities MUST implement at least two of {VP8, H.264, H.261}
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      11.

   All entities MUST implement at least two of {VP8, H.264, H.263}
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      12.

   All entities MUST support decoding using both H.264 and VP8, and MUST
   support encoding using at least one of H.264 or VP8
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      13.

   All entities MUST support H.263:
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      14.

   All entities MUST implement at least two of {VP8, H.264, Theora}
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      15.

   All entities MUST support decoding using Theora.
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:
      16.

   All entities MUST support Motion JPEG
   1.

      Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]: NO
      2.

      Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
      them:


From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
> To: "rtcweb@ietf.org" <rtcweb@ietf.org>, Gonzalo Camarillo <
> Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com>, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>, Magnus
> Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>, Cullen Jennings <
> fluffy@cisco.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:24:35 -0800
> Subject: [rtcweb] Straw Poll on Video Codec Alternatives
>
> Dear WG,
>
> This is the email announcing the straw poll across the video codec
> alternatives proposed to the WG. If you haven’t read the “Next Steps in
> Video Codec Selection Process” (
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg10448.html )then
> please do that before you continue to read.
>
> The straw poll’s purpose is to make it clear to the WG which of the
> alternatives that are favored or disfavored and what objections you have,
> if any, against a particular alternative. The WG chairs will use the
> information from this straw poll to identify an alternative to put as a
> single consensus question to the group. Thus, everyone that has an opinion
> on at least one alternative should answer this poll. Provide your poll
> input by replying to this email to the WG mailing list. The poll will run
> until the end of the 12th of January 2014.
>
> As can be seen below, the poll lists the alternative that have proposed to
> the WG. For each alternative two questions are listed.
>
> The first question is “Are you in favor of this option
> [Yes/No/Acceptable]:”. These three levels allow you to indicate that you:
> Yes= I would be fine with the WG choosing this option. No = I really don’t
> favor this, and it should not be picked. Acceptable = I can live with this
> option but I prefer something else to be picked.
>
> The second question is “Do you have any objections to this option, if so
> please explain it:” If you have any objection at a minimum indicate it with
> a “Yes”.   Please also add a short (1-sentence) summary of each of the
> objections you believe applies.  (If you wish to provide a longer
> explanation, please do so in a separate thread).  If you have no objection,
> leave that question blank.
>
> Please provide input on as many of the alternatives as you like and feel
> comfortable to do. The more inputs, the more well informed decision the WG
> chairs can take when identifying the option to be brought forward for
> consensus. Any alternative that you chose to leave blank, will simply be
> considered as one without any input from you.
>
> WG participants, please do not comment on anyone’s input in this thread!
> If you want to comment, then create a separate thread and change the
> subject line to something else. Otherwise you are making life for the
> chairs very difficult to track the results of this straw poll.
>
> If discussion causes you to update your position, please feel free to send
> an update via email on the straw poll thread prior to the closing date.
>
>
>
>    1.
>
>    All entities MUST support H.264
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       2.
>
>    All entities MUST support VP8
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       3.
>
>    All entities MUST support both H.264 and VP8
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       4.
>
>    Browsers MUST support both H.264 and VP8, other entities MUST support
>    at least one of H.264 and VP8
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       5.
>
>    All entities MUST support at least one of H.264 and VP8
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       6.
>
>    All entities MUST support H.261
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       7.
>
>    There is no MTI video codec
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       8.
>
>    All entities MUST support H.261 and all entities MUST support at least
>    one of H.264 and VP8
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       9.
>
>    All entities MUST support Theora
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       10.
>
>    All entities MUST implement at least two of {VP8, H.264, H.261}
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       11.
>
>    All entities MUST implement at least two of {VP8, H.264, H.263}
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       12.
>
>    All entities MUST support decoding using both H.264 and VP8, and MUST
>    support encoding using at least one of H.264 or VP8
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       13.
>
>    All entities MUST support H.263
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       14.
>
>    All entities MUST implement at least two of {VP8, H.264, Theora}
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       15.
>
>    All entities MUST support decoding using Theora.
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>       16.
>
>    All entities MUST support Motion JPEG
>    1.
>
>       Are you in favor of this option [Yes/No/Acceptable]:
>       2.
>
>       Do you have any objections to this option, if so please summarize
>       them:
>
>
>
>  H.264 is a reference to the proposal in
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-burman-rtcweb-h264-proposal/<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-burman-rtcweb-h264-proposal/>
>
> VP8 is a reference to the proposal in
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-vp8/<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-vp8/>
>
> Theora is a reference to Xiph.org Theora Specification from March 16, 2011
> (http://www.xiph.org/theora/doc/Theora_I_spec.pdf)
>
> H.263 is a reference to profile 0 level 70 defined in annex X of ITU-T rec
> H.263 (http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-H.263/)
>
> H.261 is a reference to http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4587
>
> Motion JPEG is a reference to http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2435
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> The Chairs
>
>
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