Re: [rtcweb] Counting NOs (Re: Straw Poll on Nokia mincing)

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Mon, 23 December 2013 05:06 UTC

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On 12/22/2013 8:59 PM, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote:
> The IETF as a whole does not have a *formal* membership concept. Nobody
> has to register, there are no membership rosters, and so on. People just
> participate. But for WGs, membership is slightly more formal. As far as
> I understand, the membership of a WG is defined to be the people
> subscribed to the mailing list.


Sorry, but simply and absolutely not.

IETF working groups do not have membership.  Period.

The concept simply does not apply to IETF work, except for formal 
management groups like Nomcom, IESG, and a few others.  But working 
groups?  No.  Not at all.


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Dave Crocker
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