Re: [81attendees] are we getting complacent? Good job!

Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com> Wed, 03 August 2011 18:53 UTC

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Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:53:18 -0700
From: Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [81attendees] are we getting complacent? Good job!
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I was actually referring to the really MAJOR hubs:

Chicago, Tokyo, Frankfurt, Paris, London, New York, Oslo [:-)] and so 
on.

Generalizations aside, another tradeoff is the range of hotels in a 
given location. Cities like Paris, Tokyo and London have good 
transportation options and everything from luxury hotels to "stay
with a family". It's not really possible to optimize for all the 
desirable features of our locations, but our starting point is a 
suitable meeting venue which everyone seems to agree QC had.

Ole


Ole J. Jacobsen
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On Wed, 3 Aug 2011, Adam Roach wrote:

> On 8/3/11 1:26 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> > * Hubs (assuming we agree on the definition) tend to be in expensive
> >    locations
> 
> I'm not so certain about that generalization. Major US hubs include Dallas,
> Houston and Atlanta -- which are, generally speaking, rather inexpensive
> compared to most off-the-beaten-path places we've gone resently.
> 
> /a
>