Re: [81attendees] are we getting complacent? Good job!

[Ole Jacobsen <[e-mail]>]

Having worked extensively on the planning for Hiroshima I can say with 
some amount of certainty that when it came to travel options, way too
many folks ignored the advise found at http://hiroshima-info.info (my
webpage) or http://www.ietf76.jp/ (host webpage) which was:


* Fly to Osaka (KIX). Take the airport train to Shin Osaka and the 
  Shinkasen from there to Hiroshima.

Lots of complaints resulted from long layovers at Narita for the one 
daily flight from there, transfers to Haneda for domestic flights, or 
even required overnight hotel stays, when all of that could have been 
(mostly) avoided.

The inter-modal change seems to be a huge obstacle for Americans, it's 
a fact of life for Europe and Asia. Not sure what we can do about that
beyond taking more places off our potential venue list.

Ole


Ole J. Jacobsen
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On Sun, 7 Aug 2011, Randall Gellens wrote:

> At 5:47 PM -0400 8/3/11, Ted Lemon wrote:
> 
> > I don't mean to criticize excessively, but the complaints about how hard
> > Hiroshima was to get to pretty much blew my mind.   It was not only easy,
> > but pleasant.   The people who had trouble were the ones who refused to use
> > ground transportation, even though ground transportation in Japan is much
> > better than air transport.
> 
> I think this statement minimizes the problems some people had, and unfairly
> makes it all their own fault.  Personally, I did a lot of research, but to
> avoid an overnight in NRT/TKO had to take a once-a-day domestic connection,
> then a taxi, then a train, then another taxi.  It wasn't easy or pleasant, and
> relied heavily on ground transport.  Relying entirely on ground transport
> would have added another day.  (I admit I could also have taken a different
> carrier which had different destinations, but that meant forgoing an upgrade
> plus other problems.)
> 
> >     Traveling to IETF requires a bit of advance planning.   If you do the
> > homework, which mostly involves asking people who know the area what to do,
> > you get there, and it's not a problem.   If you don't, you have a difficult
> > time.
> 
> I disagree and find the statement patronizing.  Doing research can allow one
> to attempt to select the best option, but that may still involve problems.
> 
> > I would complain pretty loudly if I had to go to Dallas for every
> > IETF-there's no food, and you have to rent a car, because there is no public
> > transport, and the hotels are all out in the middle of nowhere.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> -- 
> Randall Gellens
> Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only
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